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it was basically a cube with inside of

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hey this is brian arnold also known as

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dragon from skinwalker ranch and you're

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rolling on with part two of lesnar

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collins show dan still with me we have

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harry joining us harry how are we doing

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hello yeah not too bad thank you not too

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bad at all just on my lunch so yeah yeah

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nice to nice to speak to him yes and

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it's harry from gamers watch podcast as

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well so make sure you check that one out

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people

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part of the quite the thing media family

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absolutely is yeah so you've got the

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links in there the show description

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anyway but i'll i'll make sure um dan

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gonna make a note on the notes for me

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and we'll pop in the gamers watch disc

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uh link in the description as well but

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um you want to talk about your own

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experiences don't you

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yeah so it wasn't initially what i was

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going to speak about on this calling um

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the initial calling that i was going to

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have was going to be sort of my thoughts

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change what we're talking about

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immediately

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because i had had an experience from

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it was uh this is my third

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encounter or experience with what i now

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opinions have changed massively mainly

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hearing some of your guests discussing

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it on a more sort of consciousness based

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whatever is happening is definitely

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linked with human consciousness and

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hallucinogenics and how that can link

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into consciousness but that's not

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the ufo and uap phenomenon

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little boy was in his push chair and he

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helicopter and there was no noise the

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that ufo podcast during the call-in and

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past we've all done it gone into our

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garden and said i wish something would

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phenomenon and my ideas of oh i'm going

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people that sort of like will these

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the orb appear out of nowhere and i was

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just didn't know what the hell it was

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these and i appreciate when anyone comes

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on to talk about their experiences um

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discounted it as a helicopter if i'm

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thought i can't hear anything

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my phone on me the picture quality of

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i would have just taken a picture of a

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ufos of just

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a random light in the sky

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more than one point of reference so

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i don't believe people

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i don't expect people to just believe

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what i'm saying

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because i'm saying it but even if i had

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it it would have just been useless it

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would have been worse than useless it

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um so that that wouldn't have brought

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a very similar experience where he saw a

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parents and i've got that same feeling

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the same time and it's just seared in my

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what was going on harry just yes just

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as well you you said you were with your

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subject and i wish i could say it was

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the podcast that when you talk about it

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something appears above your head but

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something happened but what's she said

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sightings anyway because people go to

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dartmoor and they see objects quite a

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called team grace and it's where we go

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every single day to walk the dogs and

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there four times since when we get to

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the same spot where we see the object

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she says i still don't know what that

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and she's listened to me bang on about

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lou elizondo and bob lazar for the last

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five or six years she's heard me talk

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about atif and the ufo task force report

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and she believes that there's something

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out there but she doesn't believe

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there's something here

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she won't outright say like oh we saw a

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ufo

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what was it doing it was flying and was

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sort of curiosity that she had when we

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first saw it and yeah she is still

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thinking about it and we are still sort

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of trying to put the pieces together and

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figure it out i think for her she's just

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trying to work out what it was that she

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saw

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cool dan wants to come out on this one

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as well yeah for sure so first of all i

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just wanted to say well done for doing

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the basics and checking like flight

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planners and stuff like that yeah a lot

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of people can fall into the trap of just

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assuming that something weird they see

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is definitely starling is the worst

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thing in the world right it's crazy and

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like i i love stargazing so i love kind

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of learning about what's up there but i

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appreciate that not everyone does some

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things i mean i'm sure i don't

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see it but i've got a tattoo called a

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telescope on my arm so i'm into my

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stargazing i know what to look for i

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know what to not look for yeah that's

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great and i'm i'm glad as well that you

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you you know it was a double witness

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event with someone who was skeptical and

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you guys have each other to help talk

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through it now right and it's great that

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you're kind of a little bit initiated so

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you can talk to her about it but she's

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kind of like you were after your first

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sighting probably kind of a lot of

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questions doesn't really know her brain

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probably feels like it's grasping

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something that's just out of reach you

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know um yeah but the

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the intention thing's interesting to me

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because

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it comes in a lot with human initiated

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contact right um and i do the same you

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know if i'm if i'm thinking i'm going to

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go out and i want to see something for

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about a week before i'll think of it and

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i'll picture the opening of contact in

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reverse you know where the kind of the

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plan let me zoom out from the planet to

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kind of say i'm here come see me you

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know essentially yeah if that's how it

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works you know i've had results um but

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i'm curious are you guys gonna go out

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and try again

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100 i'll be every single time that we go

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and walk our dogs in that place at that

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same time

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i will be willing that object back

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funnily enough i've always been quite

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skeptical

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of

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person in nature so i like facts and

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figures it's why i don't really like

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browsing on our ufos and our aliens and

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high strangeness that much because a lot

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of it is anecdotal which is ironic

342
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because that's exactly what i'm doing

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right now

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but

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i've always been sort of skeptical of

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a certain individual say who used who

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came out

348
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in september of 2001 and had a big press

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conference and now is in the desert

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selling trips to people for thousands of

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dollars i've always been a bit skeptical

352
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of that side of it

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but now

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with this experience i have a few days

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ago

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all i can think of is that in my mind

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i have been talking about ufos to myself

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i've been talking about the phenomenon

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to myself and to everybody that sort of

360
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i talk with on social media is like oh

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i'm going to be

362
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on that ufo podcast and wouldn't it be

363
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great if i had another sight in and

364
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wouldn't it be great if i could talk

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about this

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so in my mind consciously not even

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subconsciously consciously

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i have

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been thinking about

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this phenomenon

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for about a week now

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and i i can't

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think of any other reason why this

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object appeared other than the fact that

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it was consciously there for me to see

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it

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there

378
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was interesting implications right

379
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you know if what we're talking about is

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true

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that you can kind of you know

382
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essentially

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summon these things at certain places

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certain times if you kind of give a

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run-up um

386
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with the media cycle as it is kind of

387
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you know bumping up ufo news

388
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there are lots more people like us out

389
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there having experiences like this and

390
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there are a lot more people starting to

391
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think about it as well so you know i

392
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just wonder is it going to lead to you

393
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know maybe a mass sighting or something

394
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like that it's exciting to think about

395
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i think that

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it will get to a point where so many

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people are having so many experiences

398
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that we will get that gotcha moment i

399
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know that everyone says they want that

400
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moment where the

401
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ufo lands on the white house lawn

402
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i think there will be in the next few

403
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years there will be something

404
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that happens that is just too

405
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irrefutable and whether that be

406
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something like phoenix lights if the

407
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phoenix lights happen now

408
00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:27,199
it would get so much more press coverage

409
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i mean i talk to people

410
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who are interested in this phenomenon

411
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who don't know about things like the

412
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phoenix lights they don't know about

413
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things like randallston forest and

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there has to be i think in the next few

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years

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something big maybe it will happen

417
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on catalina possibly where somebody

418
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with lots of witnesses sees something

419
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that is caught

420
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this object that i saw the other day it

421
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clearly wanted to be seen it was bright

422
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blinding white it was brighter than the

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sun in the sky

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and this this wasn't a nighttime

425
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experience either this was daytime and

426
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it still lit the sky up it was the focal

427
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point of the sky

428
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that thing wanted to be seen

429
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like

430
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there will be a moment where we see

431
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something mass sighting harry just as we

432
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run out of time i just want to quickly

433
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get your final thoughts so having had

434
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this experience as recently as you've

435
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had and it kind of changing or are

436
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cementing that the consciousness side of

437
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things is linked to these experiences as

438
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well how does it change your own

439
00:15:32,470 --> 00:15:31,120
interest in the subject going forward if

440
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at all is it going to change how you

441
00:15:36,790 --> 00:15:34,720
think about it how are you looking 100

442
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yeah it's it's going to open my eyes to

443
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people that i normally would have

444
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dismissed it's going to open my eyes to

445
00:15:46,230 --> 00:15:42,800
experiences that normally i may not have

446
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,240
looked into and it's going to make me

447
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:48,399
i i would still say that i'm a skeptic

448
00:15:50,870 --> 00:15:50,079
because i don't just believe everything

449
00:15:56,069 --> 00:15:50,880
on

450
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but

451
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it will for me open up avenues of

452
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interest that

453
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:02,959
previously i might not have looked at

454
00:16:07,990 --> 00:16:05,759
definitely and i won't be so quick as to

455
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:08,000
dismiss the story of somebody who said i

456
00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,000
want something to appear and it did

457
00:16:14,470 --> 00:16:12,240
so it's only good for me to be honest

458
00:16:15,910 --> 00:16:14,480
awesome harry harry from gamer's watch

459
00:16:17,110 --> 00:16:15,920
podcast make sure if you're in your game

460
00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:17,120
and you check that one out folks but

461
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,560
harry thanks for sharing your experience

462
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,399
mate it's been good talking to you

463
00:16:24,069 --> 00:16:22,639
thank you very much guys

464
00:16:25,590 --> 00:16:24,079
thank you to harry from gamers watch

465
00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:25,600
some uh some excellent conversation

466
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there

467
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,440
and we're now live with joe from ohio

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how are you today joe oh pretty good i

469
00:16:34,629 --> 00:16:33,519
appreciate you guys doing this uh this

470
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is a

471
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,639
a fan of your show i'll be honest a

472
00:16:41,269 --> 00:16:38,480
little bit newer to it i've only started

473
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:41,279
watching and listening back in

474
00:16:44,949 --> 00:16:43,600
march of this year but uh big fan of the

475
00:16:45,829 --> 00:16:44,959
show appreciate you guys doing something

476
00:16:47,350 --> 00:16:45,839
like this

477
00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:47,360
cool thank you that's kind of you to say

478
00:16:51,350 --> 00:16:48,959
uh we're also here with andy by the way

479
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:51,360
so that compliment goes to you too andy

480
00:16:55,829 --> 00:16:53,680
thanks yeah i'm a big fan of the show as

481
00:16:57,269 --> 00:16:55,839
well so thanks joe yeah

482
00:16:58,150 --> 00:16:57,279
so what did you want to talk about today

483
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:58,160
joe

484
00:17:02,389 --> 00:17:00,959
um well i plan to bring up a couple of

485
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,399
things that uh

486
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,199
have been on my mind of late uh which it

487
00:17:10,150 --> 00:17:07,679
seems kind of uncanny with the recent

488
00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:10,160
news but um something that i've always

489
00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,400
wondered ever since this started to gain

490
00:17:16,549 --> 00:17:15,199
traction uh from 2017

491
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:16,559
uh was

492
00:17:21,110 --> 00:17:18,559
how other nations that have experienced

493
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:21,120
this since this is a global phenomenon

494
00:17:25,510 --> 00:17:23,120
um uaps

495
00:17:26,710 --> 00:17:25,520
how other nations haven't been

496
00:17:28,390 --> 00:17:26,720
you know forthcoming with the

497
00:17:30,310 --> 00:17:28,400
information as well

498
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,320
because it's almost like you know from

499
00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,799
the the old-fashioned stance of

500
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:34,880
prisoners dilemma like i i wondered if

501
00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:37,679
that maybe took into play here with why

502
00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:39,280
other nations haven't been forthcoming

503
00:17:43,190 --> 00:17:40,640
with their information and and i get

504
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,200
that there's you know geopolitical uh

505
00:17:47,830 --> 00:17:45,120
impacts to it and

506
00:17:50,070 --> 00:17:47,840
maybe there was a race for trying to

507
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:50,080
understand the tech um to gain an

508
00:17:54,390 --> 00:17:52,080
advantage so that those those take come

509
00:17:56,710 --> 00:17:54,400
into play but i've always wondered

510
00:17:59,110 --> 00:17:56,720
essentially why is the us the first to

511
00:18:01,029 --> 00:17:59,120
talk about this and if this is you know

512
00:18:02,390 --> 00:18:01,039
been going on for as long as it seems to

513
00:18:03,190 --> 00:18:02,400
have been going on

514
00:18:04,789 --> 00:18:03,200
um

515
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,799
how other nations haven't been more

516
00:18:07,510 --> 00:18:06,240
forthcoming with the information you

517
00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:07,520
would think

518
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:09,760
at least one of them would be you know

519
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,080
and and i know france has been somewhat

520
00:18:15,830 --> 00:18:14,559
more forthcoming than other nations in

521
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terms of

522
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um their

523
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cases and

524
00:18:23,029 --> 00:18:21,360
scientific inquiry into them

525
00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,039
um but that's something that's been

526
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:25,200
really interesting to me and i

527
00:18:27,669 --> 00:18:26,320
feel free to

528
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:27,679
leave this open for you guys to to

529
00:18:32,070 --> 00:18:29,840
comment or respond now but

530
00:18:34,150 --> 00:18:32,080
yeah um no it's a good question joe and

531
00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:34,160
it's funny i was speaking to one of my

532
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,320
colleagues this morning who has a

533
00:18:39,110 --> 00:18:38,400
passing interest in the subject and she

534
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is

535
00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,840
um she's really interested in ufos but

536
00:18:45,830 --> 00:18:43,840
doesn't know a lot about it and she's

537
00:18:47,510 --> 00:18:45,840
listening to the podcast recently and it

538
00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,520
goes way over her head some of the stuff

539
00:18:51,190 --> 00:18:49,280
we're discussing you know because we're

540
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,200
we're talking about so much more than

541
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,039
other aliens coming from other planets

542
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:55,280
and she asked me the question earlier

543
00:18:58,390 --> 00:18:56,880
why is it just the united states it

544
00:19:00,630 --> 00:18:58,400
seemed to talk about this

545
00:19:02,390 --> 00:19:00,640
and i said you know what i don't think

546
00:19:04,549 --> 00:19:02,400
it is but i just think we hear more

547
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:04,559
noise from the usa being a much bigger

548
00:19:09,909 --> 00:19:07,760
country having the population it does um

549
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,919
it's kind of the head of the western

550
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:11,840
world like whether people like that or

551
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:15,039
not as it's the kind of hub um it's had

552
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,840
it's had hollywood as a huge

553
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:20,160
you know an industrial complex or

554
00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:21,520
whatever you want to call it for years

555
00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:23,039
and hollywood has driven a lot of the

556
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:26,000
conversation through movies and tv shows

557
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,360
so i think again it's just that

558
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,919
centralized place for it the the us

559
00:19:33,990 --> 00:19:31,520
military is the highest spending on the

560
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,000
planet so you that would make sense it

561
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has the best equipment it has the best

562
00:19:38,950 --> 00:19:37,039
sensors

563
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:38,960
and it's probably the

564
00:19:44,150 --> 00:19:42,160
the first that we really heard

565
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,160
discuss it openly i mean i i mentioned

566
00:19:47,990 --> 00:19:46,080
to her that that famous headline in

567
00:19:49,990 --> 00:19:48,000
roswell was the us army confirmed it

568
00:19:51,750 --> 00:19:50,000
captured a flying saucer and then they

569
00:19:53,270 --> 00:19:51,760
very quickly retracted their statement

570
00:19:55,190 --> 00:19:53,280
because they realized oh we shouldn't

571
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,200
have said that it was a weather balloon

572
00:19:59,669 --> 00:19:57,919
and that that was again very telling so

573
00:20:01,430 --> 00:19:59,679
they've kind of always been at the front

574
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:01,440
of this and

575
00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:03,200
i suppose some of the other bigger

576
00:20:08,230 --> 00:20:06,559
nations if you're talking china russia

577
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,240
and others have always been a little bit

578
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,559
more private in anything they do

579
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,880
whereas the us as a nation is a bit more

580
00:20:17,669 --> 00:20:14,720
brash and

581
00:20:20,150 --> 00:20:17,679
confident or cocky in some ways that the

582
00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:20,160
us doesn't mind coming out and being the

583
00:20:25,909 --> 00:20:22,160
forefront and showing off its latest

584
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,919
technology or you know it's the the home

585
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,080
home the brave land of the free free

586
00:20:33,270 --> 00:20:31,440
speech you know the american dream so

587
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,280
if any country was going to lead that

588
00:20:37,590 --> 00:20:34,480
conversation

589
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:37,600
for me it just makes sense it's the us

590
00:20:40,230 --> 00:20:38,799
um

591
00:20:42,230 --> 00:20:40,240
and i get why a lot of other countries

592
00:20:43,669 --> 00:20:42,240
maybe stay quieter on it

593
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:43,679
dan do you want to get shared any

594
00:20:48,149 --> 00:20:46,080
thoughts on that yeah it makes me think

595
00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,159
of you know a few times i forgot who

596
00:20:52,470 --> 00:20:50,320
said it now tom liu he you know that

597
00:20:53,990 --> 00:20:52,480
group uh they've spoken about

598
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:54,000
the fact they're heroes we don't really

599
00:20:57,510 --> 00:20:56,480
know about and i wonder if those people

600
00:20:59,029 --> 00:20:57,520
are the ones you know doing the

601
00:21:00,710 --> 00:20:59,039
diplomatic stuff between the countries

602
00:21:01,590 --> 00:21:00,720
and doing the things that we

603
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:01,600
you know

604
00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:03,120
don't get don't get to hear about if

605
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:05,280
there are materials exchanged um or you

606
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:07,200
know crash recoveries that maybe the uk

607
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,960
had that america needs to help with you

608
00:21:12,870 --> 00:21:11,120
know there's a lot of people

609
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:12,880
uh you know a chain of people that news

610
00:21:17,750 --> 00:21:16,240
goes through that can go very wrong

611
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,760
so there could be you know there could

612
00:21:23,350 --> 00:21:19,360
well be some international cooperation

613
00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:23,360
in in places already um we saw the japan

614
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,919
uh japanese task force and program get

615
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:27,360
set up off the

616
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,600
of the bat of i forget the official's

617
00:21:33,669 --> 00:21:31,679
name but the an american official

618
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:33,679
visited and then all that news came out

619
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:36,720
um we also have china coming out now uh

620
00:21:40,070 --> 00:21:38,320
we we know they've got the unh

621
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,080
initiative with the i think it's the

622
00:21:44,710 --> 00:21:42,080
five continents initiative um and

623
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:44,720
probably up in icer as well um but it's

624
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:47,360
interesting kind of mixing

625
00:21:50,710 --> 00:21:49,120
because in one corner of the news you

626
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:50,720
know when you're kind of hearing about

627
00:21:55,990 --> 00:21:52,799
potential wars and

628
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:56,000
you know adversaries and stuff

629
00:22:00,310 --> 00:21:58,000
you uh it's the us versus china the us

630
00:22:02,870 --> 00:22:00,320
versus russia you know the the west

631
00:22:05,029 --> 00:22:02,880
versus the east almost um whereas it

632
00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:05,039
feels different when we're talking about

633
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,720
isa and all those kind of things you

634
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,480
know the the people involved in that are

635
00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:11,280
really game for progress um so i'm

636
00:22:15,350 --> 00:22:13,760
intrigued to see you know china or

637
00:22:16,789 --> 00:22:15,360
powerhouse and i'm i'm curious to see

638
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:16,799
what they're going to do here because

639
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:18,559
they've got to be aware of how it looks

640
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:19,919
as well you know

641
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,280
um

642
00:22:25,430 --> 00:22:22,799
andy touched on something important

643
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,440
which is that i'm not sure that

644
00:22:29,350 --> 00:22:26,880
other countries in the world have like

645
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:29,360
the same sensors and capabilities as the

646
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:31,360
us but

647
00:22:36,310 --> 00:22:33,679
in the the new bill

648
00:22:38,870 --> 00:22:36,320
there was some talk about ally sharing

649
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,880
that data or sharing data with allies so

650
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:40,720
it'll be interesting to see if you know

651
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:43,200
maybe the next qa ptf report starts

652
00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:45,120
talking about

653
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:46,799
stuff that they sensed over britain with

654
00:22:49,990 --> 00:22:48,159
their satellite networks and they never

655
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,000
spoke to the uk about it you know they

656
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,000
could be huge ramifications for for not

657
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,480
helping people with their airspace um

658
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,280
the next step is definitely the un um

659
00:23:00,390 --> 00:22:59,280
and nato and kind of other countries and

660
00:23:01,830 --> 00:23:00,400
and personally i'm really looking

661
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,840
forward to hearing from some countries

662
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,000
that we haven't heard from yet another

663
00:23:08,549 --> 00:23:05,760
one i'd mentioned is um i think it was

664
00:23:10,710 --> 00:23:08,559
argentina um and there was a kind of a

665
00:23:12,549 --> 00:23:10,720
task force set up there

666
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,559
right after blue book closed that used a

667
00:23:17,110 --> 00:23:14,960
lot of the same information um that blue

668
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:17,120
book did um that was it talked about in

669
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:19,360
unidentified um and the us government

670
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:20,720
were actually involved in helping set

671
00:23:27,350 --> 00:23:23,919
that up so it's super interesting right

672
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,360
i also have a question um for for joe

673
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,520
i'm just actually checking some stats on

674
00:23:31,990 --> 00:23:30,880
this but what i'm going to ask at first

675
00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:32,000
okay

676
00:23:36,870 --> 00:23:34,240
does the language barrier play a part in

677
00:23:39,430 --> 00:23:36,880
this as well that there will be

678
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:39,440
tons of other stories and reports and

679
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:41,280
newspaper articles and clippings out

680
00:23:42,950 --> 00:23:42,240
there but

681
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,960
we

682
00:23:46,950 --> 00:23:45,120
especially in the english-speaking world

683
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:46,960
are are the ones that don't necessarily

684
00:23:50,390 --> 00:23:49,039
pick up a lot of other languages whereas

685
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,400
those in other countries

686
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:53,440
that have italian spanish dutch french

687
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:56,080
german you know russian chinese tend to

688
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:57,919
learn english um

689
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:01,039
and from a very young age that

690
00:24:04,230 --> 00:24:02,880
we just don't see this stuff because we

691
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,240
can't read it and we don't go and find

692
00:24:08,549 --> 00:24:07,120
it and we stick to that more you know

693
00:24:11,190 --> 00:24:08,559
it's in english so we can find it that

694
00:24:13,110 --> 00:24:11,200
way and that does limit you to the uk

695
00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:13,120
australia new zealand

696
00:24:16,549 --> 00:24:14,240
the us

697
00:24:19,190 --> 00:24:16,559
and a spattering of other smaller

698
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,200
nations so again the us probably as a

699
00:24:22,870 --> 00:24:21,440
population dominates that conversation

700
00:24:24,470 --> 00:24:22,880
just from a language point of view as

701
00:24:26,470 --> 00:24:24,480
well um

702
00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,480
and that if you do go looking for it you

703
00:24:30,789 --> 00:24:28,960
will find stuff but how many of us

704
00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:30,799
honestly go in and i suppose only

705
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:32,240
recently with the advent of google

706
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:33,760
translate and things like that you can

707
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:35,600
copy and paste a paragraph of

708
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,000
information and get a rough translation

709
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:39,919
of it even again and then though you

710
00:24:44,549 --> 00:24:42,320
know the the most recent article from

711
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,559
china about them applying ai to it

712
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,279
talked about uap the the

713
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:49,120
name they used for them was um

714
00:24:52,789 --> 00:24:51,120
unidentified air condition

715
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:52,799
um which no one's searching for that

716
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,440
term to see about ufos and it's just a

717
00:25:00,149 --> 00:24:57,919
result of the the algorithms translating

718
00:25:01,990 --> 00:25:00,159
you know um so even with the best

719
00:25:03,590 --> 00:25:02,000
intentions we it's really hard to find

720
00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:03,600
things sometimes

721
00:25:08,149 --> 00:25:06,720
and i've just checked apparently uh 4.83

722
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:08,159
in the world speak english as a first

723
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,159
language so yeah you're potentially

724
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,960
limiting yourself to 4.83 of

725
00:25:18,230 --> 00:25:15,600
any research out there

726
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:18,240
i i totally get that um

727
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:20,240
it it i understand that you know that

728
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:22,320
that's a great point actually uh dan

729
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,880
with the the language barrier um

730
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:26,960
i i guess i i'll

731
00:25:31,190 --> 00:25:28,960
pivot this slightly

732
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,200
what i meant to say was not that you

733
00:25:35,669 --> 00:25:32,799
know that these other countries aren't

734
00:25:37,750 --> 00:25:35,679
experiencing these and sure what what

735
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:37,760
you're indicating is probably coming

736
00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,159
into play i guess where i was going with

737
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,960
this and i agree that you know the other

738
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,039
point about the the u.s sensor data

739
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:47,120
potentially being better

740
00:25:50,950 --> 00:25:48,960
and things of that nature but

741
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:50,960
you would think that

742
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:54,400
given the enormity of the phenomenon of

743
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:55,440
what

744
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:57,760
you know current information

745
00:26:00,549 --> 00:25:59,520
portends towards

746
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:00,559
um

747
00:26:04,870 --> 00:26:03,200
we would have at least one nation maybe

748
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:04,880
be completely forthcoming with the

749
00:26:09,190 --> 00:26:06,880
information that they do have

750
00:26:11,990 --> 00:26:09,200
you know and i know that the u.s is

751
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:12,000
maybe going towards this path now but

752
00:26:15,510 --> 00:26:13,440
i i just think it was kind of

753
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:15,520
interesting that over the course of all

754
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:17,760
this time that you didn't have

755
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:19,760
maybe with the out with the exception of

756
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:22,640
france a nation that was pretty open

757
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,960
about you know its cases and

758
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:27,039
um the science behind it and what it's

759
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:27,840
done

760
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,840
and i always say that because you know

761
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,440
growing up

762
00:26:36,630 --> 00:26:34,320
i i'm a i'm an engineer in electrical

763
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,640
engineering growing up i i always

764
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:38,400
was interested in science and

765
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,039
i read you know ufo books when i was

766
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:43,120
growing up in middle school and in high

767
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:44,720
school a little bit but

768
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,320
ultimately

769
00:26:51,990 --> 00:26:49,520
until 2017 happened i kind of

770
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,000
you know thought maybe possibly but i

771
00:26:56,549 --> 00:26:54,559
needed some hard science and you know

772
00:26:59,350 --> 00:26:56,559
that's that's what reena ignited me was

773
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:59,360
seeing some of the actual data and and

774
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,640
listening to the

775
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:03,200
cases that we have lots of

776
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,880
you know

777
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,720
not just the human testimony right you

778
00:27:10,470 --> 00:27:08,400
have the sensor data to collaborate it

779
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:10,480
and um you have got

780
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:12,320
for example i don't i know this probably

781
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,440
didn't get a whole lot of attention but

782
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:14,960
that 2019

783
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,919
um entropy journal uh

784
00:27:21,350 --> 00:27:19,039
peer-reviewed

785
00:27:24,310 --> 00:27:21,360
article that was created that it was uh

786
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,320
um estimating anomalous or estimating

787
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:25,840
flight characteristics of anomalous

788
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,080
aerial vehicles or i think that was the

789
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:30,960
the term but um they got into the data

790
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:32,960
on the nimitz incident and and seeing

791
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:35,200
the kinematics set up

792
00:27:38,549 --> 00:27:36,559
and the probability density function

793
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:38,559
which i'm not going to get too deep into

794
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,919
but from my background that was pretty

795
00:27:42,070 --> 00:27:41,279
powerful to see

796
00:27:44,230 --> 00:27:42,080
um

797
00:27:45,669 --> 00:27:44,240
i i just would have expected there would

798
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:45,679
have been some sort of you know

799
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,120
scientific data dump from some uh

800
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,760
bigger case or some country in the past

801
00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,159
and i'm sure there's probably reasons

802
00:27:57,669 --> 00:27:55,760
that are not yet

803
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,679
known as to why but it

804
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,039
makes me wonder

805
00:28:02,710 --> 00:28:01,200
yeah i get your point you're saying like

806
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,720
if i'm reading this thing that why

807
00:28:06,549 --> 00:28:04,559
haven't italy or

808
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:06,559
germany or the uk came out and said you

809
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,919
know what there's something going on

810
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,600
here's what we've found from it so far

811
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:11,679
and we'd like to have a conversation but

812
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,159
i suppose again it's like why has no one

813
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:16,000
really done that because the stigma's

814
00:28:19,190 --> 00:28:17,120
been there

815
00:28:21,430 --> 00:28:19,200
and if you look back what

816
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,440
before the the 40s 50s there probably

817
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:23,760
wasn't a whole lot to go on anyway and

818
00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,240
as you start to get the advent of the

819
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,240
nuclear age and more and more sightings

820
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,240
and technology getting better you're

821
00:28:35,350 --> 00:28:32,000
narrowing it down to that kind of 50 or

822
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:35,360
60 years where the conversation has just

823
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,720
been that and i imagine in the

824
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:39,039
background this is just my own opinion

825
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,279
what tends to happen is given the us

826
00:28:45,269 --> 00:28:43,360
with roswell and that sort of stuff had

827
00:28:47,669 --> 00:28:45,279
those first major

828
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:47,679
press releases and you know talking

829
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:49,200
about it and then the cover-up stories

830
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:50,559
and everything like that

831
00:28:54,870 --> 00:28:52,320
have other countries whenever they have

832
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:54,880
had any incidents or issues reached out

833
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,159
to the us

834
00:29:01,269 --> 00:28:58,159
or as so

835
00:29:04,549 --> 00:29:01,279
we can provably say yes they did

836
00:29:05,669 --> 00:29:04,559
there's a case where canada had what

837
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,679
they couldn't something they couldn't

838
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,760
identify um and they actually took it to

839
00:29:11,029 --> 00:29:09,840
malmstrom air base uh for them to study

840
00:29:12,549 --> 00:29:11,039
it and gave it to the us and said look

841
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:12,559
what this is it turned out it was just a

842
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,480
satellite but point is they were given a

843
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:16,799
uap to them to the us

844
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,559
yeah so i think what happens to us in

845
00:29:22,710 --> 00:29:20,480
the background these things happen and

846
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:22,720
again these countries corroborate and

847
00:29:26,470 --> 00:29:24,799
you know what i would even wonder at

848
00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:26,480
times at some level

849
00:29:32,310 --> 00:29:29,200
does the us and russia and china some

850
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,320
way talk to each other and go look

851
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,720
this isn't us and they go yep and it's

852
00:29:38,310 --> 00:29:36,399
not us either

853
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,320
and maybe that's where the conversations

854
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:39,360
stop

855
00:29:43,430 --> 00:29:41,679
however it's almost just a confirmation

856
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,440
that it wasn't us flying over your

857
00:29:48,470 --> 00:29:45,279
nuclear silos that we heard about yeah

858
00:29:50,389 --> 00:29:48,480
and it wasn't as flying over yours

859
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:50,399
and maybe for security reasons that's

860
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:52,240
where it stops and you hear about the

861
00:29:55,190 --> 00:29:53,679
race for this technology and which

862
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,200
country wants to have it first and it's

863
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,480
the really good point and chris melon

864
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:58,159
made that one recently didn't he when

865
00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,720
the chinese rocket had basically crash

866
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,200
landed on like a piece of road in the

867
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,960
middle of somewhere after another failed

868
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:06,159
space launch

869
00:30:09,990 --> 00:30:08,080
and he said this is the country that

870
00:30:12,470 --> 00:30:10,000
people are claiming potentially have

871
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:12,480
incredible technologies flying about our

872
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:15,760
our navy vessels um no they are playing

873
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:18,080
catch up with us and the us are coming

874
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:20,320
out and saying as the big spenders

875
00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:22,320
it's it's uh swallowing your pride

876
00:30:25,750 --> 00:30:24,080
admission that this is not our

877
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,760
technology we would love it to be but

878
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:27,679
it's not and the countries that are

879
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:30,480
behind us it's not theirs either because

880
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:33,520
if it was then surely china who who

881
00:30:36,789 --> 00:30:35,360
would want that control worldwide would

882
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:36,799
turn around and go do you know what

883
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:39,200
privately we could stick nuclear weapons

884
00:30:42,470 --> 00:30:40,640
over every one of your major cities

885
00:30:44,230 --> 00:30:42,480
within seconds and you could do nothing

886
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:44,240
about it so

887
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,760
let's play ball

888
00:30:49,110 --> 00:30:47,360
from our point of view same with russia

889
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:49,120
and the same with the us

890
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,480
but none of them do

891
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:51,919
and that for me would be the biggest

892
00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:54,320
indicator that this is definitely not us

893
00:30:57,990 --> 00:30:55,919
russian and chinese

894
00:30:59,830 --> 00:30:58,000
and for me it keeps enough of the the

895
00:31:00,870 --> 00:30:59,840
worry and ambiguity in the background

896
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,880
that

897
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,960
they keep it quiet

898
00:31:06,149 --> 00:31:04,320
because how do you have that

899
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,159
conversation openly and what we're

900
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,640
seeing that kind of drip now aren't we

901
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:11,039
um that it's hopefully coming out more

902
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:13,520
and more and more i still would not be

903
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,720
shocked if in a few years time

904
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,799
we still don't have disclosure as people

905
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:20,399
are expecting or wanting it but that

906
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:21,679
we're just further down the road with

907
00:31:26,389 --> 00:31:23,919
the conversation perhaps even in five

908
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:26,399
years time that it's more accepted in

909
00:31:30,230 --> 00:31:28,159
mainstream science that we are

910
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:30,240
attempting to study and capture more

911
00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:32,720
aspects of this phenomenon but that's

912
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:35,279
just my opinion what um

913
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:38,159
what for for you joe would be

914
00:31:41,509 --> 00:31:40,000
you know you said 2017 kind of played an

915
00:31:44,230 --> 00:31:41,519
important part in

916
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:44,240
kind of making you a bit more curious in

917
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,760
a serious way

918
00:31:48,470 --> 00:31:47,760
what what would be the next step up for

919
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:48,480
you

920
00:31:55,029 --> 00:31:52,720
a 10 centimeter square piece of the

921
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:55,039
material to scientists to study you know

922
00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:57,120
kind of open the floodgates for you or

923
00:32:00,710 --> 00:31:58,720
would you want more than that

924
00:32:03,110 --> 00:32:00,720
well i know that they're already um our

925
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:03,120
ongoing efforts i know it was the

926
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:04,960
peer-reviewed piece i've been waiting

927
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:06,960
for this to come out with uh jacques

928
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,000
valles

929
00:32:11,750 --> 00:32:10,559
collaboration with yeah yeah it was

930
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,760
supposed to come out this summer but

931
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:13,120
we're getting near the end of the summer

932
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,720
at this point i'm not sure when it's

933
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:17,279
going to come out but yeah i am eagerly

934
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:18,240
awaiting

935
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,440
um information like that um that that's

936
00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:23,440
honestly probably in my opinion the next

937
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:26,559
part of this conversation is having that

938
00:32:31,029 --> 00:32:29,440
type of data be be made available um

939
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,039
something i'd like to see but i know is

940
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,519
probably less likely to happen is

941
00:32:38,389 --> 00:32:35,919
information that no longer needs to be

942
00:32:39,590 --> 00:32:38,399
classified for example maybe information

943
00:32:41,909 --> 00:32:39,600
or

944
00:32:44,630 --> 00:32:41,919
material intelligence whatever you want

945
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,640
to use sensor data that's a lot older

946
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,640
maybe systems the us doesn't even use

947
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:50,000
anymore so there'd be no reason to to to

948
00:32:53,509 --> 00:32:51,760
classify the data

949
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:53,519
i'd like to see some of those

950
00:32:57,430 --> 00:32:55,760
cooperating evidence coming out for

951
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:57,440
certain cases i don't know that we'll

952
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,960
see that but yeah that that's the next

953
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:00,799
thing i'd like to see some

954
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:02,480
you know more in-depth scientific study

955
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:04,960
on on actual material and and i know

956
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:07,279
that's in the process but i think that's

957
00:33:09,909 --> 00:33:08,480
what i'm waiting for

958
00:33:11,350 --> 00:33:09,919
there are some things going through i

959
00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:11,360
think it's the department of energy as

960
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,480
of february 2022. they they currently

961
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,640
they're under their own own um oversight

962
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:18,559
committee so whatever they decide they

963
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:19,840
want to keep from everyone else they get

964
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,120
to keep from everyone else but that

965
00:33:25,430 --> 00:33:23,279
changes in february um and they're held

966
00:33:27,190 --> 00:33:25,440
to the same oversight as everybody else

967
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:27,200
there's also a few space force kind of

968
00:33:31,029 --> 00:33:29,360
classification reviews going through so

969
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:31,039
i'm hoping that they're kind of linked

970
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:33,120
to the bills that we're seeing and and

971
00:33:35,830 --> 00:33:34,080
you know there's going to be a few

972
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:35,840
classification changes so we can see the

973
00:33:40,310 --> 00:33:37,679
kind of data that you're referring to it

974
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,320
would be wild

975
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,799
i agree but joe we're at a time on that

976
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,640
one but some really good points here but

977
00:33:47,590 --> 00:33:46,320
absolutely fair fairly made as well and

978
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,600
it's one of those that right now we can

979
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:49,919
only speculate on really so uh hopefully

980
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,600
you call in again in the near future and

981
00:33:54,549 --> 00:33:53,440
uh obviously we get some of that data

982
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:54,559
that you're looking at as well would be

983
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,519
good

984
00:34:59,190 --> 00:33:58,399
thanks so much appreciate your time

985
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:02,790
from joe and ohio we go to joe in london

986
00:35:07,030 --> 00:35:05,359
joe welcome to the podcast how you doing

987
00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:07,040
i'm very good thank you uh thank you for

988
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:09,119
having me on andy and dan it's uh it's

989
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:11,599
great to um to be on i've been listening

990
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,440
to the show um

991
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:15,520
almost a year now and uh really looking

992
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,359
forward to it every every time you uh

993
00:35:20,630 --> 00:35:19,119
post a new podcast

994
00:35:22,150 --> 00:35:20,640
i'm on the discord channel as well which

995
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:22,160
is really good thank you that's kind of

996
00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,200
easy to say

997
00:35:27,030 --> 00:35:24,960
yeah the discord's a fun community to be

998
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,040
a part of as well uh again if you're on

999
00:35:30,550 --> 00:35:28,960
the apple premium or patreon you get

1000
00:35:32,550 --> 00:35:30,560
access to the discord which is a fun

1001
00:35:33,990 --> 00:35:32,560
place to chat um so yeah thanks for

1002
00:35:35,589 --> 00:35:34,000
thanks for doing that joe

1003
00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:35,599
joe you want to talk about a couple of

1004
00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:38,000
different topics one being channelers

1005
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,280
and people who channel different

1006
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:41,119
entities and beings and then we're going

1007
00:35:46,390 --> 00:35:44,240
to look at ce5 events as well um so yeah

1008
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:46,400
go for it the floor is yours

1009
00:35:51,990 --> 00:35:48,640
yeah sure so um

1010
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:52,000
when i first started looking into um

1011
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:53,599
well i was looking on youtube and

1012
00:35:57,349 --> 00:35:55,119
listening to a lot of various uh

1013
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:57,359
channelers that have those videos one

1014
00:36:02,150 --> 00:35:59,119
called the magenta pixie and the ones

1015
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:02,160
laurie ladd and phil bill good

1016
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,240
um and then recently i've been uh just

1017
00:36:09,829 --> 00:36:07,119
read a book by elena denan who has a

1018
00:36:12,790 --> 00:36:09,839
book called alien races and she channels

1019
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:12,800
someone called thoran who who gave a lot

1020
00:36:16,710 --> 00:36:15,119
of information about the various alien

1021
00:36:18,069 --> 00:36:16,720
races out there

1022
00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:18,079
and talking about a thing called the

1023
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,720
sikar empire which apparently is

1024
00:36:24,630 --> 00:36:23,040
uh largely responsible for a lot of a

1025
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,640
lot of the uh the shadow government and

1026
00:36:28,390 --> 00:36:26,720
the dark things happening i just wanted

1027
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:28,400
to get your thoughts on

1028
00:36:31,349 --> 00:36:29,680
on that and with the whether you had

1029
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:31,359
sort of um

1030
00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:32,800
been looking into that at all because i

1031
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:34,640
i don't hear a lot about channelers on

1032
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,839
here and i wondered if they'd got sort

1033
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:37,920
of credibility amongst the kind of

1034
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,560
ufo community as much

1035
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,880
so i'll be really honest when it comes

1036
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,119
to to this kind of stuff and i suppose

1037
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:47,040
you've got to put it in the same basket

1038
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:49,520
as things like remote viewing um

1039
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,920
to a point where remote viewing is one

1040
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,359
of those incredible things that i've

1041
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,839
just had the debra cats interviews on

1042
00:36:58,150 --> 00:36:56,800
and

1043
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:58,160
got some really good feedback but i've

1044
00:37:02,710 --> 00:36:59,920
also had people get in touch who just

1045
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,720
don't buy into either the person and

1046
00:37:06,630 --> 00:37:05,040
deborah or the the idea of remote

1047
00:37:08,710 --> 00:37:06,640
viewing and what it entails and it's an

1048
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:08,720
incredible thing that you know one day

1049
00:37:11,990 --> 00:37:10,480
i've proven to be 100

1050
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,000
a real phenomena

1051
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,440
it's just mind-blowing and

1052
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:16,079
world-changing and everything else what

1053
00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:18,079
you do get with remote viewing

1054
00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:20,800
is an element of results where it can be

1055
00:37:26,550 --> 00:37:24,560
tested and lab tested um and and that's

1056
00:37:28,150 --> 00:37:26,560
great and that's what gives that some

1057
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,160
level of i'm going to use that word

1058
00:37:33,750 --> 00:37:30,960
credibility joe that you've used because

1059
00:37:34,870 --> 00:37:33,760
the issue that happens with channeling

1060
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:34,880
beings

1061
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,400
as

1062
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,440
the results part of it that it's one of

1063
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,520
those where it can be really interesting

1064
00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:42,880
to listen to

1065
00:37:47,589 --> 00:37:45,839
but off the back of someone

1066
00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:47,599
being in contact with or channeling

1067
00:37:51,670 --> 00:37:49,440
another entity

1068
00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:51,680
there's very little if any proof or

1069
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,280
evidence that one they actually are

1070
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,000
or if they are

1071
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,839
off the back of that anything that you

1072
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,920
can tangibly prove

1073
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:04,240
this is it's really happening because

1074
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:05,920
this happened or there was this

1075
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:07,440
prediction made

1076
00:38:10,870 --> 00:38:08,480
or

1077
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:10,880
even just again the angelic topic at the

1078
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,760
minute is quite pertinent online where

1079
00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:15,680
she's claiming that she actually has you

1080
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,440
know she's seen these beings in a

1081
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,680
mountain in the mojave desert and i

1082
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:22,320
suppose we're going to find out sooner

1083
00:38:25,030 --> 00:38:23,520
than later

1084
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,040
whether that's true or not because she

1085
00:38:29,349 --> 00:38:27,200
says she's going there with a team

1086
00:38:31,349 --> 00:38:29,359
yeah you could go tomorrow

1087
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:31,359
and that would put an end to it with a

1088
00:38:36,630 --> 00:38:34,000
camera um and we'll see what happens

1089
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,640
with that particular story

1090
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,960
for me i've got to put it in the case of

1091
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:40,800
you know i've talked before about

1092
00:38:46,710 --> 00:38:43,839
hearing people who have time traveled or

1093
00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:46,720
jumped to mars and spent time on mars or

1094
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,800
remote viewed other planets

1095
00:38:52,470 --> 00:38:50,240
until there's something we can prove

1096
00:38:54,790 --> 00:38:52,480
it's got to be one of those i find

1097
00:38:56,550 --> 00:38:54,800
interesting to listen to

1098
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:56,560
but i've got reservations and a lot of

1099
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:59,119
it but i can see why people do find that

1100
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,800
impression i don't know about dan what

1101
00:39:03,829 --> 00:39:02,560
about yourself on the idea of of

1102
00:39:05,589 --> 00:39:03,839
channeling

1103
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:05,599
i am i try and watch some channels

1104
00:39:08,710 --> 00:39:07,040
because i find it's

1105
00:39:11,109 --> 00:39:08,720
it's one of the more challenging aspects

1106
00:39:12,829 --> 00:39:11,119
of the subject right and and i i think

1107
00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:12,839
the people should challenge themselves

1108
00:39:17,430 --> 00:39:15,359
um we were talking yesterday andy about

1109
00:39:20,470 --> 00:39:17,440
the idea of stuff like downloads and

1110
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,480
channeling as kind of inspiration and

1111
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:22,160
creativity coming through to different

1112
00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:25,280
degrees um and i i find it curious for

1113
00:39:28,150 --> 00:39:26,640
that reason you know

1114
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:28,160
those people kind of getting ideas that

1115
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:29,520
are much more intense than us so they

1116
00:39:32,230 --> 00:39:30,880
just feel like they're coming from that

1117
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,240
different place and they interpret them

1118
00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,320
that way i i don't know i think it's

1119
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,800
really interesting um and as someone

1120
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,480
that kind of

1121
00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,440
you know partakes in the whole ce5 thing

1122
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:43,520
and and

1123
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:46,320
remote viewing it's it's something that

1124
00:39:48,870 --> 00:39:48,160
you know i dig further and further into

1125
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,880
when

1126
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,640
i've said to certain people in the past

1127
00:39:54,790 --> 00:39:53,200
that sometimes when you're

1128
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,800
a good example is the foo fighters which

1129
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:56,960
i did with the olaf graham's book it's

1130
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:58,400
um

1131
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,079
that you know part of that just came

1132
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,560
through whole and it was like where's

1133
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:04,800
this idea come from you know is is this

1134
00:40:08,150 --> 00:40:06,240
what people refer to when they talk

1135
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,160
about downloads and it just appears in

1136
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,960
your head um so so it's yeah it's

1137
00:40:13,589 --> 00:40:12,160
something i'm interested in i don't

1138
00:40:15,030 --> 00:40:13,599
really have any hard answers i think

1139
00:40:17,829 --> 00:40:15,040
this is kind of the bleeding edge of

1140
00:40:19,910 --> 00:40:17,839
what we're getting at isn't it um but is

1141
00:40:22,790 --> 00:40:19,920
that the group you spoke about the c5

1142
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,800
group um uk based obviously is that like

1143
00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:24,400
do they have a discord or twitter or

1144
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:25,760
anything like that for people to join if

1145
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:28,240
they want to kind of start partaking in

1146
00:40:32,230 --> 00:40:30,000
something actionable

1147
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:32,240
so um yeah i've uh

1148
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,280
last year i um used the uh the app that

1149
00:40:39,190 --> 00:40:37,839
steven grier put out uh 4c5 which

1150
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:39,200
allowed me to sort of network with some

1151
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,680
local people and i got in touch with a

1152
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,599
couple people who were

1153
00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:46,400
near to me in southeast london and

1154
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,520
i sort of

1155
00:40:52,310 --> 00:40:50,240
said you want to meet up and one of them

1156
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,320
was quite enthusiastic about it and

1157
00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,200
ended up um creating a facebook group um

1158
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:56,720
and just through various contacts he's

1159
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:59,119
managed to grow it um it's i think it's

1160
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:01,359
1600 people on there now

1161
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,880
which is from a year and it's just and

1162
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,880
he's seeing more more people come in and

1163
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:06,400
i'm one of the admins so i get to see

1164
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:08,079
how quickly you know it is sort of

1165
00:41:10,390 --> 00:41:09,440
growing so

1166
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:10,400
um

1167
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:12,960
yeah on the side of the on the ce5 side

1168
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,960
of things i'm seeing it grow a lot i'm

1169
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:16,800
seeing i'm also involved in quite a few

1170
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:18,000
events so

1171
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:18,880
um

1172
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:22,160
i've been to uh a couple events in the

1173
00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:24,079
local area i'm going to one this weekend

1174
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,400
in kent and i'm going i went to

1175
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:28,480
one in avery not long ago and these

1176
00:41:32,790 --> 00:41:30,800
events where you have maybe 10 15 people

1177
00:41:34,550 --> 00:41:32,800
and you all get together and they sort

1178
00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:34,560
of try and initiate contact and we've

1179
00:41:38,150 --> 00:41:36,480
seen we have seen some crazy stuff and

1180
00:41:41,030 --> 00:41:38,160
you know avery for people that are

1181
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,040
watching that's like stonehenge right

1182
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:43,200
uh well it's it's on the same

1183
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:45,839
line of um that goes through that but

1184
00:41:51,270 --> 00:41:49,280
it's a bit further north yeah um yeah

1185
00:41:53,109 --> 00:41:51,280
and it's uh yes

1186
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,119
we've got some interesting stories but

1187
00:41:57,670 --> 00:41:55,520
there's no kind of um

1188
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:57,680
i guess central place to put it and sort

1189
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:00,560
of to have that information available to

1190
00:42:03,990 --> 00:42:02,000
be part of the sort of the disclosure

1191
00:42:05,109 --> 00:42:04,000
because i i believe that disclosure is

1192
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:05,119
coming is going to happen from the

1193
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,880
ground up not from

1194
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:08,880
from the top down um

1195
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,079
because i i just think they're all

1196
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:12,079
playing games at the top or they're not

1197
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,359
allowed to really

1198
00:42:18,069 --> 00:42:15,440
uh you know say what they probably want

1199
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:18,079
to say so yeah i just wondered if you

1200
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,480
knew much about the cd5 stuff and we we

1201
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,359
almost need like uh

1202
00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:25,359
you know a miniaturized version of

1203
00:42:29,670 --> 00:42:27,920
sky hub for ce fibers to take with them

1204
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:29,680
and just set up next to them so they can

1205
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,359
start gathering hard data when they're

1206
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:33,440
interacting um

1207
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,960
but there's certainly you know we've

1208
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,400
seen with skinwalker there's definitely

1209
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,640
an aspect of if you know the computer's

1210
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,079
recording then the phenomena knows and

1211
00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:41,839
it'll break the camera you know you kind

1212
00:42:48,390 --> 00:42:45,200
of have to allow for these weird

1213
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,400
idiosyncrasies in collecting data um i i

1214
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:49,839
don't know how we solve it but i think

1215
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,760
we're getting to a place where

1216
00:42:54,550 --> 00:42:53,200
the right people are asking those

1217
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:54,560
questions like having loeb kind of

1218
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,800
making his sense of set and lou talking

1219
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,400
about these simple sensors that we can

1220
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:00,720
use whatever that is um

1221
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,440
you know we we could be on the cusp of a

1222
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,280
revolution here

1223
00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:07,200
joel can i ask it i definitely see it

1224
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:08,560
happening a lot more people are more

1225
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:10,400
open to the idea and don't they don't

1226
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:12,000
ridicule you when you know when i talk

1227
00:43:16,470 --> 00:43:13,839
to people who aren't involved in c5 and

1228
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,480
i mention it they don't sort of yeah say

1229
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:17,680
oh that's a lot of nonsense but they

1230
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:19,040
might be interested but some of them

1231
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:20,480
aren't and that's fine but some of them

1232
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:22,640
are and wants to know more and the idea

1233
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,720
of discussing or trying to make contact

1234
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,800
with other beings out there it doesn't

1235
00:43:30,309 --> 00:43:28,319
um yeah it doesn't get into trouble so

1236
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:30,319
that that's that's that's a great sign

1237
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:31,839
for um seeing

1238
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,599
i i definitely feel in my lifetime i

1239
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:34,480
will

1240
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:36,640
um see

1241
00:43:39,670 --> 00:43:38,560
yeah full disclosure i think i'll be

1242
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,680
able to talk to anyone on the street

1243
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:42,480
about it if i wanted um and just yeah

1244
00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,680
know that uh

1245
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:45,680
it's we're in contact with with these

1246
00:43:48,069 --> 00:43:46,560
beings

1247
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:48,079
whether they're interdimensional or one

1248
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:51,680
of the other planets whatever it is yeah

1249
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,640
whether whether it's channeling or ce5

1250
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:56,240
or anything else like i i've talked

1251
00:44:00,630 --> 00:43:58,319
online about that video that's been

1252
00:44:02,309 --> 00:44:00,640
doing the rounds again from reddit of

1253
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,319
the i don't know if you've seen the the

1254
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:04,480
saucer basically beside the wing of the

1255
00:44:09,829 --> 00:44:07,280
f-18 apparently of which what it is

1256
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:09,839
um i may have done yeah it's an ending

1257
00:44:12,710 --> 00:44:11,200
that's quite a few videos

1258
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:12,720
yeah something seemed quite fake but i

1259
00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:14,160
think there's one recently isn't it yeah

1260
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:16,160
so yeah and that's my point okay you've

1261
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:18,560
said it seems quite fake and it does

1262
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,440
but

1263
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,000
no one knows what rio looks like what we

1264
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,000
see in the navy videos is something at

1265
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,319
quite a distance or it's an image of a

1266
00:44:30,390 --> 00:44:28,000
heat signature or lack of a heat

1267
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,400
signature and that's what we have as

1268
00:44:34,790 --> 00:44:32,400
authentic at the moment

1269
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:34,800
we don't know if that video of that

1270
00:44:38,550 --> 00:44:36,960
saucer is real or not because we don't

1271
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:38,560
actually know if if that's what one of

1272
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:40,880
those looks like then that is what one

1273
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:43,119
of those looks like but we we just don't

1274
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,800
know so we could be looking at stuff

1275
00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:45,920
that's fake

1276
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,680
and declaring it fake and that includes

1277
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,920
photographs or videos or it includes

1278
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,359
people telling us they know that there

1279
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,440
are beings and mountains or it includes

1280
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:55,520
channelers who are who are channeling

1281
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:58,400
beings and as crazy as that might sound

1282
00:45:01,349 --> 00:45:00,160
we don't know that any one of these

1283
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,359
channelers

1284
00:45:05,109 --> 00:45:03,680
is is right because maybe that's what is

1285
00:45:06,710 --> 00:45:05,119
happening to that person and maybe

1286
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,720
that's what those downloads sound like

1287
00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,560
and maybe that's how it comes through

1288
00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,800
so it's really hard to say one way or

1289
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,480
another and it would be hypocritical for

1290
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,880
me to say all channelers are talking

1291
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,880
nonsense one because i don't know but

1292
00:45:20,870 --> 00:45:18,720
two because i can't look at different

1293
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:20,880
ufo footage and declare some things real

1294
00:45:26,630 --> 00:45:23,280
are fake when i've never actually seen

1295
00:45:28,870 --> 00:45:26,640
what does 100 genuine real

1296
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:28,880
flying saucer for example look like

1297
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,200
um so it's one of those where i do sit

1298
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,280
on the fence with it and i want to know

1299
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,200
with your your ce5 group have you ever

1300
00:45:38,230 --> 00:45:36,720
tried to film anything has any of the

1301
00:45:39,270 --> 00:45:38,240
group filmed the stuff that you've been

1302
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,280
looking at

1303
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,280
um yeah i actually i'm probably the one

1304
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:43,040
that um the guy that has these the

1305
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:44,079
camera

1306
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,680
i i take with me it's a night vision

1307
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:46,560
camera

1308
00:45:50,069 --> 00:45:47,440
um

1309
00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:50,079
and i've seen loads of stuff that i'm i

1310
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,520
want to get a better camera to be honest

1311
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:53,040
because when i look back at the footage

1312
00:45:56,390 --> 00:45:54,400
later

1313
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:56,400
i try and look at it as if i was a

1314
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,200
complete skeptic and i haven't quite

1315
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,200
convinced myself that i've got the you

1316
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:03,440
know the perfect footage but i've seen

1317
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,920
crazy like um like lots of lights over

1318
00:46:10,390 --> 00:46:07,359
appearing and then sort of merging

1319
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:10,400
together in ways and then flashing

1320
00:46:13,349 --> 00:46:11,440
um

1321
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:13,359
at various times and you just when

1322
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:14,319
you're there and you're having the

1323
00:46:17,910 --> 00:46:16,000
experience it's not just about what you

1324
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,920
see it's about the whole experience and

1325
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:19,760
the energies around you and the people

1326
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:20,560
and

1327
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,680
um

1328
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:23,119
i feel that i feel that something's

1329
00:46:27,750 --> 00:46:24,480
happening but you can't convey that

1330
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:27,760
completely in a in a in a video footage

1331
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:30,000
um so for me

1332
00:46:33,829 --> 00:46:31,920
um i'll happily share with people who

1333
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:33,839
are interested but i think the best way

1334
00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:34,800
to have

1335
00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:36,480
the experience is not through watching

1336
00:46:40,069 --> 00:46:38,079
my videos that i've taken but it's to

1337
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:40,079
actually get involved and and go out

1338
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,680
there and actually do it yourself with

1339
00:46:44,950 --> 00:46:43,440
various people because i feel the more

1340
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:44,960
people you have the better the

1341
00:46:48,390 --> 00:46:46,880
experience is as well i think that's a

1342
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:48,400
good action to have in a good place to

1343
00:46:52,870 --> 00:46:51,119
be in and that approach just in closing

1344
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,880
then joe what's the name of the facebook

1345
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,119
group if people want to join

1346
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:58,560
uh just uh c5 uk

1347
00:47:01,750 --> 00:46:59,760
yeah awesome

1348
00:47:03,270 --> 00:47:01,760
we'll put the links for that in the show

1349
00:47:04,710 --> 00:47:03,280
description as well so if anyone wants

1350
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,720
to to join especially if you're in the

1351
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:06,880
uk as well and can can get along to one

1352
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:08,160
of these then

1353
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,319
that would be awesome um to get along

1354
00:47:12,390 --> 00:47:11,599
with you

1355
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:12,400
yeah

1356
00:47:16,950 --> 00:47:15,680
call i appreciate that that's just the

1357
00:47:17,990 --> 00:47:16,960
end of the time but it's been really

1358
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,000
good speaking with you and thanks for

1359
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:20,240
the point

1360
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,599
next on the line we're going to head

1361
00:47:26,870 --> 00:47:24,640
over from london to iowa we have alex on

1362
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:26,880
the line how we doing alex

1363
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,560
great great to be here

1364
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,000
really good to have you on the podcast

1365
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,160
as well um i've got dan still joining us

1366
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:33,599
too which is awesome i have to point

1367
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,119
that out because dan just dips out now

1368
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,200
and again and especially

1369
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
it's good to have him on for the full

1370
00:47:42,630 --> 00:47:40,720
time alex the floor is yours what do you

1371
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,640
want to talk about

1372
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,240
um i just uh

1373
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:46,160
was trying i was hoping to kind of pick

1374
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,440
your guys's brand and what you think

1375
00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:49,440
sort of the end game might be as far as

1376
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:52,480
technology is concerned um

1377
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,920
i feel like

1378
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,240
now kind of the assumption going forward

1379
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:58,319
at least for me is that

1380
00:48:01,990 --> 00:47:59,920
we as in

1381
00:48:04,150 --> 00:48:02,000
our various government entities

1382
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,160
are in possession of alien technology i

1383
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:06,160
think that what we heard yesterday the

1384
00:48:09,430 --> 00:48:07,920
big bombshell that came out

1385
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:09,440
as far as uh

1386
00:48:12,630 --> 00:48:11,200
you know what the the next house bills

1387
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:12,640
are that are coming out and the language

1388
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:14,160
it knows

1389
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,400
i mean it's not they didn't say hey we

1390
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:17,920
have this stuff but they

1391
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,480
basically said hey we have this stuff

1392
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,040
um so i'm just kind of wondering

1393
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,200
at this point how

1394
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:27,119
how do we think this is going to end up

1395
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:28,960
playing out how is that technology going

1396
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:32,000
to end up being a

1397
00:48:34,790 --> 00:48:32,800
uh

1398
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,800
a known thing that the government says

1399
00:48:39,030 --> 00:48:37,200
here here is this here is that whatever

1400
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:39,040
is it gonna be

1401
00:48:42,230 --> 00:48:40,319
something that they try and keep under

1402
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,240
wraps for a long time because they're

1403
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,480
not sure

1404
00:48:49,270 --> 00:48:47,599
uh if other elements out there have

1405
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,280
is it something that's going to take a a

1406
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,440
large scale war for them to kind of keep

1407
00:48:55,829 --> 00:48:53,520
their their cards close to their chest

1408
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:55,839
before they have to show these things or

1409
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,280
or kind of what do you think maybe that

1410
00:49:00,710 --> 00:48:58,720
would look like

1411
00:49:02,549 --> 00:49:00,720
i i could talk about this for a long

1412
00:49:03,670 --> 00:49:02,559
time but it wouldn't be very coherent

1413
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,680
and it just

1414
00:49:06,870 --> 00:49:05,200
so i've got a lot of thoughts on this

1415
00:49:09,270 --> 00:49:06,880
and dan we talked about it on one of the

1416
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,280
waters recently as well like

1417
00:49:12,710 --> 00:49:10,880
there's so many different components to

1418
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:12,720
the technology side of things that

1419
00:49:16,470 --> 00:49:14,800
you've got the the weaponization aspect

1420
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:16,480
of it which i'm sure

1421
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,400
any worldwide military would love to

1422
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,160
have a tic tac and we on one of the

1423
00:49:24,790 --> 00:49:22,400
earlier calls we spoke to one of the

1424
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:24,800
listeners and just the idea that this is

1425
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,760
potentially american russian or chinese

1426
00:49:32,069 --> 00:49:30,079
is is ludicrous because if it was one of

1427
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,079
those superpowers who and it wouldn't be

1428
00:49:34,950 --> 00:49:34,000
anyone else let's be honest

1429
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,960
then

1430
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:37,359
they have the upper hand on their

1431
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:39,520
counterparts because if you are china

1432
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:41,760
and you have a tic tac let alone a fleet

1433
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:44,720
of them you can fly a nuclear weapon

1434
00:49:49,270 --> 00:49:47,359
over any american state or russian state

1435
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:49,280
within seconds and no one could do

1436
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,119
anything about it so you have the

1437
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,359
ultimate deterrent to which nuclear

1438
00:49:56,230 --> 00:49:55,280
weapons are a bit of a waste of time

1439
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:56,240
so

1440
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,240
it just for me seems crazy that it would

1441
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,680
be any of those so you've got the

1442
00:50:03,910 --> 00:50:01,760
weaponization aspect of it and i think

1443
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:03,920
that's what any of them would like

1444
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,800
the the the blue sky love and light

1445
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,160
stuff i think love and light's becoming

1446
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,720
a phrase isn't it but the the happy the

1447
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,880
happy way to look at it would be we're

1448
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:14,319
going to get new medicines new

1449
00:50:18,150 --> 00:50:16,000
technologies to make things easier

1450
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,160
commercial travel would be easier you

1451
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,760
know we're going to get replicators like

1452
00:50:21,990 --> 00:50:21,040
in star trek

1453
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:22,000
but

1454
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,960
just

1455
00:50:26,150 --> 00:50:24,800
if the ufo lands on the white house lawn

1456
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,160
tomorrow and the government come out and

1457
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:28,160
say yep we've got this tech doesn't

1458
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:30,319
change overnight because can they

1459
00:50:35,349 --> 00:50:32,559
replicate it in a big scale maybe it

1460
00:50:36,950 --> 00:50:35,359
takes some 50 years to to back engineer

1461
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,960
one black triangle

1462
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:38,800
to a point they can use that technology

1463
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:44,230
the big focus has to be weaponry not

1464
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,520
from my point of view i'm not making

1465
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:47,280
weapons but i think any government

1466
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:48,720
looking at this technology and going

1467
00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:52,000
after it it's for that can i

1468
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,359
you've used the word endgame and i just

1469
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:55,599
think avengers end game and it's it's

1470
00:50:58,309 --> 00:50:56,960
just unfortunately that kind of

1471
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:58,319
weaponizing

1472
00:51:01,910 --> 00:51:00,400
aspect of it like can you win a war

1473
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,920
whoever gets the tech the race for the

1474
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:04,319
tech is has the power and the control

1475
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,280
unfortunately um for everyone else dan

1476
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:09,440
robert yourself

1477
00:51:14,630 --> 00:51:11,599
yeah i mean you you covered a lot there

1478
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:14,640
um i i think there's a bit of a

1479
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,800
finding mission ahead of us um when i

1480
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:18,400
say yes i'm kind of saying the royal ass

1481
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,440
i'm not going to be going through the

1482
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:20,640
archives you know the people that are

1483
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,680
qualified are going to be doing that um

1484
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:25,359
you know that that might happen through

1485
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:26,960
public hearings that might happen

1486
00:51:33,270 --> 00:51:30,720
through the uh dod ig investigation um

1487
00:51:35,670 --> 00:51:33,280
we were talking about this uh earlier in

1488
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:35,680
fact um and we were saying that the

1489
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:36,960
government will have you know if this

1490
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,880
stuff has gone into private industry the

1491
00:51:44,470 --> 00:51:41,599
government may have paperwork that goes

1492
00:51:46,790 --> 00:51:44,480
so far and alludes to something outside

1493
00:51:48,790 --> 00:51:46,800
of government and we should be able to

1494
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:48,800
find that at the very least to kind of

1495
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:51,040
start you know prying out of the hands

1496
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,800
of the these uh

1497
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,559
private industry

1498
00:51:58,710 --> 00:51:56,400
i was gonna say individuals but groups

1499
00:52:00,549 --> 00:51:58,720
it would be by now um

1500
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:00,559
in terms of where the technology is

1501
00:52:06,390 --> 00:52:04,000
gonna take us um

1502
00:52:07,990 --> 00:52:06,400
pretty much instant travel is accessible

1503
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,000
you know there's a consciousness aspect

1504
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,480
to this that i find really fascinating

1505
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,559
um you know we're gonna when this stuff

1506
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:14,240
comes out and we can kind of manipulate

1507
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,839
electromagnetic waves in ways we

1508
00:52:19,589 --> 00:52:17,520
couldn't do before are we even going to

1509
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,599
need stuff like neurolink implanted into

1510
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:21,200
our heads it kind of changes our

1511
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:22,640
trajectory of where we think we're going

1512
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,480
to go um and technological revolutions

1513
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:28,480
are usually like that you know you get

1514
00:52:31,750 --> 00:52:30,160
futurists who predict 100 years in the

1515
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:31,760
future and they're often wrong because

1516
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:33,440
something just comes from that field and

1517
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:36,319
this would be one of those things um

1518
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:39,040
but it leads to

1519
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,000
an andy touched on it spying essentially

1520
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:43,520
and and

1521
00:52:47,829 --> 00:52:45,839
you you almost need to have a way of

1522
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,839
controlling this technology before

1523
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:50,160
letting it out um and i wonder if we're

1524
00:52:53,829 --> 00:52:52,319
getting to that point lou elizondo

1525
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:53,839
recently

1526
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:55,200
said a

1527
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,359
great analogy um

1528
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,760
one of many that he he has about a

1529
00:53:04,630 --> 00:53:01,920
silverback gorilla in a cage fiddling

1530
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:04,640
with a key in a lock and

1531
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:06,079
you know the the keys kind of getting

1532
00:53:09,510 --> 00:53:07,839
closer to that lock and kind of you know

1533
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,520
unlocking what's behind the door and

1534
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,119
what's that silverback gonna do once he

1535
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:13,280
gets out of the cage and it made me

1536
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:14,480
think well

1537
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:16,480
you know there are zookeepers in this

1538
00:53:20,950 --> 00:53:18,319
analogy watching that silverback play

1539
00:53:22,630 --> 00:53:20,960
with the lock um

1540
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:22,640
are they gonna let us get this

1541
00:53:26,309 --> 00:53:24,640
technology and is that a threat to them

1542
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,319
and i wonder if that plays a part in

1543
00:53:30,470 --> 00:53:28,880
their role in disclosure

1544
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:30,480
what do you think alex what's your

1545
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:32,000
thoughts

1546
00:53:34,630 --> 00:53:33,119
yeah i guess

1547
00:53:35,910 --> 00:53:34,640
i've talked more about this lately just

1548
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,920
in the last few weeks with some of the

1549
00:53:39,510 --> 00:53:37,119
things i've read and things that have

1550
00:53:41,990 --> 00:53:39,520
come out where now instead of thinking

1551
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:42,000
of this is in on disclosure terms as far

1552
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,960
as

1553
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:44,960
are these things real what does that

1554
00:53:49,030 --> 00:53:47,200
mean to humanity i thinking of this more

1555
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:49,040
as almost like a

1556
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:52,240
uh a cold war arms race

1557
00:53:56,069 --> 00:53:53,599
is kind of maybe something that's

1558
00:53:58,309 --> 00:53:56,079
pushing a lot of this as far as really

1559
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:58,319
is about the technology

1560
00:54:02,230 --> 00:54:01,280
who has it who can utilize it

1561
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:02,240
um

1562
00:54:07,270 --> 00:54:03,839
you know because it really is sort of a

1563
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:07,280
whoever can get this get control of it

1564
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,720
whatever that is again it probably will

1565
00:54:12,549 --> 00:54:09,839
be something that comes out of left

1566
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:12,559
field it's sort of a game game over for

1567
00:54:17,910 --> 00:54:15,839
the the adversaries of that country or

1568
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:17,920
entity or whatever so i'm thinking of

1569
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,640
this more and long along the lines of

1570
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:22,559
you know kind of a

1571
00:54:26,630 --> 00:54:24,400
secret arms race

1572
00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:26,640
yeah i can't disagree with that like but

1573
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:29,680
i would hope that if the time comes that

1574
00:54:34,230 --> 00:54:31,920
one of these countries and again this is

1575
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:34,240
this is me kind of wishful thinking but

1576
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,599
they must they must talk in the

1577
00:54:38,549 --> 00:54:36,720
background and that's something i

1578
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,559
mentioned earlier well on the the

1579
00:54:43,030 --> 00:54:40,720
surface russia china and the us all hate

1580
00:54:45,910 --> 00:54:43,040
each other you imagine there's some kind

1581
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,920
of shadowy talks go on and they must be

1582
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:47,839
looking at each other going this this

1583
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,800
isn't ours it's not yours it's not yours

1584
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:52,160
this is something that you know down the

1585
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,760
line we might have taken a work together

1586
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:56,000
on a little bit and no doubt their

1587
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,599
typical human nature they're all trying

1588
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:59,520
to get it themselves first

1589
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,640
but

1590
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,000
what does that actually mean when they

1591
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,599
get it can they use it and then how

1592
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:05,040
would they use it

1593
00:55:08,630 --> 00:55:06,559
because then if they've got something

1594
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,640
else if there's other entities and if

1595
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:10,319
it's increasingly likely that something

1596
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:11,760
else shares the same physical or

1597
00:55:15,589 --> 00:55:14,240
non-physical space as us

1598
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,599
they like

1599
00:55:18,309 --> 00:55:17,280
if they are the gatekeepers like dan

1600
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:18,319
said

1601
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,000
however you want to use that analogy

1602
00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:22,319
then what do they do when they give the

1603
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,000
kids the toys once the kids have got the

1604
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:26,079
matches and do they let us play with

1605
00:55:28,470 --> 00:55:27,599
them do they like to see what we do

1606
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,480
because

1607
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:29,760
you would imagine they saw us using

1608
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,480
nuclear weapons in 19 in the 1940s and

1609
00:55:36,790 --> 00:55:35,440
didn't like what we've done and

1610
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:36,800
i imagine that's why they've kept a

1611
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,349
yeah i'd have to agree with that that's

1612
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,920
kind of the last that kind of the cap on

1613
00:55:48,230 --> 00:55:46,160
that is

1614
00:55:50,230 --> 00:55:48,240
we had we got in possession of this from

1615
00:55:52,549 --> 00:55:50,240
someone chances are we're

1616
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:52,559
in contact with them somehow using very

1617
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:54,240
vague terms but

1618
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,760
will they let us play with the toys we

1619
00:55:59,349 --> 00:55:57,760
end up getting our hands on that's the

1620
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,359
final kind of

1621
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,280
domino i suppose

1622
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:02,960
and when you look at like nuclear atomic

1623
00:56:06,470 --> 00:56:04,319
energy and all that kind of stuff it's

1624
00:56:07,990 --> 00:56:06,480
got some incredible uses i remember

1625
00:56:09,750 --> 00:56:08,000
reading like you could basically turn

1626
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:09,760
your your mobile phone in a very very

1627
00:56:14,150 --> 00:56:12,240
small nuclear reactor and have a battery

1628
00:56:15,589 --> 00:56:14,160
that never never died you never had to

1629
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,599
be charged and it was kind of ever

1630
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,240
ending but you can't trust people to to

1631
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,160
not buy a batch of them and blow them up

1632
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:22,079
unfortunately um

1633
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,680
i remember when the playstation 2 came

1634
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:25,440
out and there was rumors saddam hussein

1635
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:26,720
had bought thousands of them to make

1636
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,839
some super computer in iraq and it's

1637
00:56:33,750 --> 00:56:31,040
just if this is like playstations and

1638
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,760
mobile phones like dan said if you the

1639
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,760
idea that once we get this technology

1640
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:37,760
and we can you know alex we could have

1641
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:39,599
this conversation face to face dan and i

1642
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:40,799
could come over and visit you in a

1643
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:43,119
couple of minutes time but you can't

1644
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:44,799
trust people given what we've just had

1645
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:46,880
the anniversary of a few days ago

1646
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,119
you can't trust people to not misuse

1647
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,200
technology like that so

1648
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:53,520
it's just there's the the blue sky big

1649
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,960
picture thinking

1650
00:56:58,710 --> 00:56:56,480
but i think you you've got to always

1651
00:57:00,870 --> 00:56:58,720
bring it back to as

1652
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:00,880
a human race where we are realistically

1653
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:03,280
with all the the bs going on in the

1654
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,880
world and how we can't just do simple

1655
00:57:09,109 --> 00:57:06,640
things and work together and live

1656
00:57:09,990 --> 00:57:09,119
harmoniously and all that kind of stuff

1657
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,000
i just

1658
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,760
this is going to take a long time a lot

1659
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,480
of time um and i still see the the drip

1660
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:16,480
drip drip continuing

1661
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:17,520
because

1662
00:57:20,710 --> 00:57:19,040
i tried to think what would happen

1663
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:20,720
tomorrow if the aliens landed on the

1664
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:25,030
yeah

1665
00:57:28,870 --> 00:57:27,359
dan any final thoughts

1666
00:57:31,109 --> 00:57:28,880
oh i mean you you guys pretty much

1667
00:57:33,349 --> 00:57:31,119
covered it really really nicely

1668
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:33,359
cool alex anything else before you wrap

1669
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:34,319
up

1670
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,400
i think so uh

1671
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:38,160
i think that's it you guys do a great

1672
00:57:42,230 --> 00:57:41,040
job appreciate it thanks man alex really

1673
00:57:43,910 --> 00:57:42,240
appreciate it and make sure you call in

1674
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,920
again next time okay

1675
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:45,839
definitely well thanks guys

1676
00:57:51,270 --> 00:57:49,119
thank you to alex from iowa um we're now

1677
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:51,280
uh live with uh tim from san francisco

1678
00:57:53,990 --> 00:57:52,559
how you doing tim

1679
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:54,000
i'm doing great guys uh thanks for

1680
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,760
having me on again andy and dan first

1681
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:57,040
time meeting you great to see you it's

1682
00:58:01,109 --> 00:57:59,040
lovely to meet you it's always nice to

1683
00:58:02,789 --> 00:58:01,119
to kind of see the listeners and and you

1684
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,799
know we we all know there are humans out

1685
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,160
there in the world but it's nice to put

1686
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:06,720
a face to the you know the social media

1687
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:09,200
profile so to speak absolutely you guys

1688
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:11,040
are in my head in my headphones often

1689
00:58:14,470 --> 00:58:12,240
throughout the week so i've heard your

1690
00:58:16,470 --> 00:58:14,480
voice a lot and i see you on twitter so

1691
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:16,480
uh likewise

1692
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,440
cool

1693
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:20,160
what would you like to talk about today

1694
00:58:25,349 --> 00:58:22,960
where to start there is so much going on

1695
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:25,359
right now the last day um i think

1696
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,480
yesterday morning when i woke up to uh

1697
00:58:32,870 --> 00:58:29,680
max max

1698
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:32,880
matsuwitz's uh post with lou uh that

1699
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:34,799
just about broke my brain um that was

1700
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,280
pretty incredible um to hear about the

1701
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,640
forthcoming law

1702
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:40,000
um but i think

1703
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:42,000
where i want to start with you guys is i

1704
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,359
want to start back to uh listener

1705
00:58:47,510 --> 00:58:45,440
questions with lou um

1706
00:58:49,750 --> 00:58:47,520
i i'm gonna i'm gonna do this in three

1707
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,760
parts with you this is going to be a

1708
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,200
gratitude sandwich because i want to

1709
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:52,880
start with saying thank you andy for

1710
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:54,960
asking lou my question incredibly

1711
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,599
meaningful to me that you did that um

1712
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,680
for for those of you listening i i asked

1713
00:59:02,950 --> 00:59:01,440
about you know what what's the current

1714
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,960
leading hypothesis supported by the

1715
00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:05,119
facts in relation to the phenomenon

1716
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,319
and his answer was incredible um i i

1717
00:59:13,510 --> 00:59:10,960
really loved that luke covered um you

1718
00:59:15,910 --> 00:59:13,520
know the fact that number one

1719
00:59:18,150 --> 00:59:15,920
there are many different hypotheses that

1720
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:18,160
there's split camp within the pentagon

1721
00:59:20,950 --> 00:59:18,960
um

1722
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,960
people aren't subscribing necessarily to

1723
00:59:25,270 --> 00:59:23,599
one or the other at this point and um

1724
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:25,280
you know and that he really needed to

1725
00:59:29,270 --> 00:59:26,400
leave open

1726
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,280
room for more data as he gets more data

1727
00:59:33,349 --> 00:59:31,520
so he can't assert any kind of leading

1728
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,359
hypothesis at this time which i kind of

1729
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,520
figured he would say that but he

1730
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,920
he really strung it out there about you

1731
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:39,920
know extraterrestrial and and

1732
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,559
interdimensional his his comment on time

1733
00:59:46,950 --> 00:59:44,799
was incredible um you know and he said

1734
00:59:49,349 --> 00:59:46,960
that before i believe uh on your podcast

1735
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:49,359
andy and so i was just floored and like

1736
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:50,720
i said i'm just super grateful that you

1737
00:59:54,870 --> 00:59:52,720
guys were able to ask him

1738
00:59:56,870 --> 00:59:54,880
no thanks i think i actually almost

1739
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,880
interrupted the great man himself

1740
01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,119
when he started mentioning the analogy

1741
01:00:02,630 --> 01:00:01,440
again and i was like i've only got 40

1742
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:02,640
minutes and i don't want to waste it

1743
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,079
with a couple of minutes

1744
01:00:07,910 --> 01:00:06,240
but it went off on a tangent quite quick

1745
01:00:09,589 --> 01:00:07,920
but yeah no i was i was happy with his

1746
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:09,599
answer but it sounds like we're getting

1747
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:11,200
that that sandwich where we've got some

1748
01:00:13,990 --> 01:00:12,640
meat in the middle that's going to be

1749
01:00:16,069 --> 01:00:14,000
not so complimentary that's what i want

1750
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,079
to get to

1751
01:00:21,190 --> 01:00:18,720
not so complimentary okay great well um

1752
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,200
following on to that um let's talk about

1753
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,839
um you know the the newly uh newly

1754
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:26,640
slated laws that might be put forward um

1755
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,680
you know you guys have already mentioned

1756
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:29,280
on your recap i believe uh this morning

1757
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,720
or last night whenever it was released

1758
01:00:33,829 --> 01:00:32,160
um you were talking about some of the

1759
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,839
bullets of what was coming down the

1760
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:36,079
pipeline with this new law um the thing

1761
01:00:38,870 --> 01:00:37,599
that set off the twitter twitter sphere

1762
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:38,880
yesterday was

1763
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:40,880
obviously the two uh

1764
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,960
the two um kind of

1765
01:00:46,390 --> 01:00:44,720
shocking points in language that lou

1766
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:46,400
mentioned in that broadcast that i was

1767
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,200
talking about which is number one um

1768
01:00:54,309 --> 01:00:52,079
any kind of crash retrieval efforts or

1769
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:54,319
um you know retrievals in general and

1770
01:00:59,589 --> 01:00:57,040
objects um that language is astounding

1771
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,599
to me and then also um you know

1772
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,240
including a line for biological effects

1773
01:01:05,109 --> 01:01:03,839
and how that's going to

1774
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:05,119
kind of tilt the conversation in a

1775
01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,079
different direction that they're

1776
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,559
actually going to have to gather data on

1777
01:01:13,109 --> 01:01:10,880
this you guys already spoke about

1778
01:01:14,789 --> 01:01:13,119
you know lockheed martin and whether or

1779
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,799
not you know we're going to be able to

1780
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,400
get you know some kind of chain of

1781
01:01:20,069 --> 01:01:17,839
custody of these things once they're in

1782
01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,079
the private sector who knows how that's

1783
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,400
going to play out um i'm just

1784
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:24,000
you know i'm shocked that this language

1785
01:01:28,710 --> 01:01:26,640
is even you know in any part of

1786
01:01:29,910 --> 01:01:28,720
legislation um i never thought i lived

1787
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,920
through this time i mean what are your

1788
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:31,119
guys's other thoughts on those two

1789
01:01:34,309 --> 01:01:32,640
things

1790
01:01:36,470 --> 01:01:34,319
did you see the um

1791
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:36,480
a few hours back and and it's gonna make

1792
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,640
the the listener call in sound jarring

1793
01:01:43,190 --> 01:01:40,799
now because a bunch of time passed in

1794
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,200
between uh the last chunk we did and in

1795
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:44,960
that bunch of time the debrief released

1796
01:01:49,750 --> 01:01:47,280
a kind of breakdown of of the uh the

1797
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:49,760
ndaa and

1798
01:01:55,270 --> 01:01:52,799
in it um tim mcmillan states that

1799
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:55,280
they've been extremely active behind the

1800
01:01:59,910 --> 01:01:57,839
scenes for the past year and a half two

1801
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,920
years but they just haven't publicly

1802
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,520
been talking about it

1803
01:02:05,030 --> 01:02:03,359
so i was really excited to hear that

1804
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:05,040
because it just makes me think well who

1805
01:02:09,510 --> 01:02:06,480
else in government is taking it this

1806
01:02:11,910 --> 01:02:09,520
seriously and has this much insight into

1807
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:11,920
it that they're asking you know directly

1808
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:14,400
for this stuff that they they

1809
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:15,760
it sounds like they

1810
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,640
very very heavily suspect that they have

1811
01:02:22,470 --> 01:02:20,960
crash retrieval stuff um otherwise they

1812
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:22,480
wouldn't ask that specific question same

1813
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,960
with biological effects um

1814
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,440
so yeah it's great it's nice to see that

1815
01:02:30,950 --> 01:02:29,599
people are versed in it um and that they

1816
01:02:33,030 --> 01:02:30,960
could be a lot more helpers in the

1817
01:02:34,870 --> 01:02:33,040
shadows than than people trying to pull

1818
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:34,880
the wall over our eyes

1819
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:36,960
absolutely and you know for me dan that

1820
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,880
also lends to some of lou's other words

1821
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:40,319
where you know he's waiting for somebody

1822
01:02:42,870 --> 01:02:41,839
to come quote unquote pick up the torch

1823
01:02:44,150 --> 01:02:42,880
for him he's saying that there are

1824
01:02:46,789 --> 01:02:44,160
people on the inside that are more

1825
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:46,799
well-versed that are

1826
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:50,000
more maybe uh well-equipped to take on

1827
01:02:53,190 --> 01:02:51,599
uh the lead of this and so hopefully

1828
01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:53,200
those folks are the same people that are

1829
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:54,960
you know lending their expertise to

1830
01:02:59,990 --> 01:02:58,160
legislation like this um you know it it

1831
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:00,000
sounds like that's the case it sounds

1832
01:03:05,270 --> 01:03:03,119
like um there are definitely a select

1833
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:05,280
few people in the pentagon that are

1834
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,079
targeting in um very clearly on some of

1835
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,559
this language and some of uh you know

1836
01:03:14,630 --> 01:03:12,799
kind of these breadcrumbs that lou and

1837
01:03:16,549 --> 01:03:14,640
chris mellon and others have laid and i

1838
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:16,559
know i've talked about them a lot but

1839
01:03:20,309 --> 01:03:18,799
i think it's really important just to

1840
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:20,319
you know to note that at this time and

1841
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,640
say you know look at all of these things

1842
01:03:26,069 --> 01:03:24,720
that we've been discussing for years now

1843
01:03:28,150 --> 01:03:26,079
that are actually coming to light that

1844
01:03:31,510 --> 01:03:28,160
are actually moving in a tangible way

1845
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:31,520
forward um which uh it's astonishing to

1846
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,630
i am still

1847
01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:38,640
yet the language is amazing especially

1848
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:41,440
after all of the furore that happened

1849
01:03:44,870 --> 01:03:42,960
when we thought we were going to get a

1850
01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:44,880
crash retrieval programmes article in

1851
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:46,720
the new york times and it never quite

1852
01:03:51,829 --> 01:03:50,160
came out as people hoped um duty things

1853
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,839
at the time and now we're getting it in

1854
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:54,240
an official government legislation

1855
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,160
a lot can still change and those bills

1856
01:04:00,309 --> 01:03:58,000
the language will change before they get

1857
01:04:02,230 --> 01:04:00,319
they get potentially passed as well i

1858
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,240
still just don't see

1859
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,400
that any

1860
01:04:09,510 --> 01:04:05,920
any crashed

1861
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,520
materials or craft especially intact

1862
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,440
would be with any kind of government

1863
01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:13,920
body still and they would be well hidden

1864
01:04:19,029 --> 01:04:15,839
away like i said i said on the the

1865
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,039
update earlier on um in the bills of

1866
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:21,920
lockheed bass whatever these things may

1867
01:04:26,870 --> 01:04:24,400
be and department of energy and the

1868
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:26,880
bills of that and heading in so much red

1869
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:28,640
tape it's not even red tape anymore you

1870
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:31,599
know the tape dispensers ran out um

1871
01:04:37,190 --> 01:04:35,119
so yeah i i just find it incredible that

1872
01:04:38,390 --> 01:04:37,200
there's and obviously lou and chris and

1873
01:04:40,069 --> 01:04:38,400
the guys that have been successful in

1874
01:04:43,349 --> 01:04:40,079
getting us put through because these

1875
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:43,359
these bills and laws that sorry these um

1876
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:44,640
bills haven't just been put through

1877
01:04:47,829 --> 01:04:45,839
overnight this is stuff that's been in

1878
01:04:50,069 --> 01:04:47,839
the background for some time for months

1879
01:04:53,029 --> 01:04:50,079
probably a long long time maybe maybe

1880
01:04:54,470 --> 01:04:53,039
over a year who knows um but

1881
01:04:56,549 --> 01:04:54,480
they've used the language they've used

1882
01:04:58,710 --> 01:04:56,559
for a reason and it's a success just to

1883
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,720
get that language in there

1884
01:05:02,309 --> 01:05:00,720
i still don't see

1885
01:05:04,069 --> 01:05:02,319
that the government's got anything in

1886
01:05:05,430 --> 01:05:04,079
any way shape or form that they could

1887
01:05:10,470 --> 01:05:05,440
admit to having

1888
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:10,480
don't see why they would have it either

1889
01:05:15,349 --> 01:05:12,960
yeah that's a fair point i i also tend

1890
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:15,359
to interpret this you know laws that are

1891
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:16,799
drafted like this or language that's

1892
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:18,240
that's drafted in such a way where it

1893
01:05:22,470 --> 01:05:19,760
kind of begs the question it's like any

1894
01:05:24,150 --> 01:05:22,480
time that chris mellon puts out a

1895
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:24,160
statement on his blog and he's asking

1896
01:05:27,670 --> 01:05:26,160
specific questions from specific parts

1897
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:27,680
of our government

1898
01:05:32,309 --> 01:05:30,000
and or of certain parts of industry and

1899
01:05:33,990 --> 01:05:32,319
or of certain people every time mr

1900
01:05:35,910 --> 01:05:34,000
mellon releases something like that i

1901
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:35,920
read it as he probably already has a

1902
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:37,760
good idea of the answers to these

1903
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,799
questions so i feel like if

1904
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:43,520
him and lou and or you know these other

1905
01:05:46,309 --> 01:05:44,559
you know folks who are still in the

1906
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:46,319
shadows who are crafting this language

1907
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:48,079
they're begging the question they know

1908
01:05:50,710 --> 01:05:49,440
something they know a channel to go

1909
01:05:52,789 --> 01:05:50,720
through they know

1910
01:05:56,230 --> 01:05:52,799
that the potentiality of something that

1911
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:56,240
something might um you know exist in

1912
01:06:01,029 --> 01:05:58,799
uh in a tangible way that we can go

1913
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,039
after that they can go after if they you

1914
01:06:03,829 --> 01:06:02,480
know posit the language in the right way

1915
01:06:06,309 --> 01:06:03,839
so i i hope that that's where we're

1916
01:06:08,470 --> 01:06:06,319
going with this um like i said you guys

1917
01:06:11,349 --> 01:06:08,480
mentioned this earlier too that it's not

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law yet this is just a draft um this is

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not final language um but it gives me a

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lot of hope you know i i liken my

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reaction yesterday to lose words about

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that specific language to reading

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you know the comment from eric davis in

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the july

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2020 july 23rd 2020 article in the new

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york times where he referenced crash

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retrieval programs and the senate was

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briefed on that that was incredible to

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me um and i know that some people have

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made they have played that down that

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he's since you know denied that comment

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or whatnot but it was still important to

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me that that was put in a new york times

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article this gave me the same reaction

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so i'm i'm hopeful overall and um

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it's going to be a really interesting

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few months um and with that i can't wait

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to hear you talk to ross coldhardt

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about some of these developments and and

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see what his insight is into it um you

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know there's some serious players now

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and uh i'm gonna wrap this up

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by giving you the gratitude sandwich

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that i said that i would

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so

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thank you andy and thank you dan for

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doing what you're doing you mentioned

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that you're not a media outlet you're a

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grassroots movement i would disagree you

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may not be

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making your living off of this yet and

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that's fine but what you do for us is

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incredibly important and your voice has

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been so important in the last 18 months

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on this subject and i think all of your

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listeners uh you know could it can atone

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to that as well um and you know for me

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personally i've just been thrilled to be

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involved in the conversation and you've

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let me do that here so thank you

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thank you very much thank you

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yeah

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we'll send you that cash later on oh

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wait that's just recording oh yeah no

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thank you tim i appreciate that and that

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like i

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genuinely mean these are the kind of fun

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shows and um we've not even mentioned

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yet but the the youtube live we've done

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last night that was a test and people

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quite enjoyed that we we said before

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that um we said on the youtube live that

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there's plenty of other youtube channels

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out there and we don't plan on copying

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anyone um

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the the youtube's an outlet we've got

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some ideas for it's been there for quite

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a while um unidentified celebrity review

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project unity ryan sprague christina

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gomez all have their youtube channels

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and i think they consider them

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themselves youtube channels before

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podcasts and we are still very much a

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podcast but there's a couple of things

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we want to do on the youtube um

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especially to get listeners involved at

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yourself as well where uh we could we

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can use that medium that we can't

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necessarily do

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as well as we would like on on audio so

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uh people can keep an eye on that for

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for getting involved and it's always

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good to have the listeners doing that

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too for that kind of instant reaction

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and stuff but that and the listener

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call-ins are the the most kind of fun

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stuff we do so it's appreciated well i

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look forward to seeing more and you know

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if you're doing it on youtube everybody

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can see turn red when people thank you

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so

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that's why i'm setting this up

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yeah cheers tim thank you very much man

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pleasure speaking

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nice to meet you thank you as always

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appreciate it guys that is all for this

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